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Message to readers from Wikimedia Foundation regarding Covid-19

Given the unfolding global events, the Wikimedia Foundations feels it is important to reassure readers across the globe.

We'll be displaying a short message at the top of the projects reaffirming our commitment to keep Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects online, open and free for all. Readers often turn to Wikipedia for neutral information in times of stress. This is a critical moment for students who can't go to school, people who have to stay home with their families, and anyone who needs a trusted source of unbiased information.

We also want to take a moment to acknowledge the invaluable work of all the medical contributors on Wikipedia. Thank you for keeping a close watch and keeping misinformation at bay. Coronavirus topics have received tens of thousands of edits by thousands of editors since the start of the pandemic. The article has been read more than 30 million times, in English alone.

The message will be displayed just once to readers, and you can preview the banner. The draft is in English but we want this message to be multilingual. If you have a moment, please help translate this banner into your language. Thank you all, for your work and efforts.

Stay safe, and wash your hands! Seddon (WMF) (talk) 20:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

...Throughout these troubling times... GMGtalk 20:35, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
That's still not how this works, no matter how many places you post it. You don't get to forgo the CentralNotice proposal process just because you feel like it. --Yair rand (talk) 20:44, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
@Yair rand: As I said to you on the m:Wikimedia Forum, as operators of the website, and given the extraordinary stress that a significant percentage of the world is currently feeling, and given that many of them are turning to Wikipedia for information, and given that many contributors are spending extra time dealing with the increased attention and activity that results from millions of people being isolated at home, we believe it necessary and important to reaffirm our commitment to being here for people in a time of need and to acknowledge contributors in their role in making it all happen. Seddon (WMF) (talk) 20:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Responded there. --Yair rand (talk) 22:04, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Should there be a campaign to encourage the curious, bored, and not working or studying, to improve articles here? T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 04:19, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@T3g5JZ50GLq: I think that is a good idea, but this thread is probably not the best place for it, unless you are specifically suggesting that this be added to the Foundation's message. BD2412 T 04:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@BD2412: That sounds like a better first smaller step, I was thinking about PR to to BBC, DW, NPR, etc. T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 05:20, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


CentralNotice about coronavirus (threads merged)

Please note, staffer User:SPatton (WMF) has enabled a central notice, for only logged out users, and for only here on enwiki. The way Sam built this makes it somewhat hard to reference, the text of it is spread across the following files: meta:Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Centralnotice-Programmatic_translations_2020-covid. Ping in to User:Seddon (WMF) who normally manages these types of things. The notice is "signed" by User:Katherine (WMF). It is a bit unusual that this was forced out without even participating in our discussion to add this as a site notice (c.f. current discussions at Wikipedia talk:In the news) and that while it is sending thanks to the "contributors" it is hidden from logged in editors as well. These are WMF servers, so they can certainly do as they please, but some additional discussion would have been less jarring. — xaosflux Talk 02:40, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: you can see what readers see by using this link. — xaosflux Talk 02:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Note: There was a short discussion on this at meta in meta:Wikimedia_Forum#Message_to_readers_from_Wikimedia_Foundation. — xaosflux Talk 02:51, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Those banners go to ALL projects, not just en.wiki, and the Foundation is in full authority to add them when they fell appropriate (that's the same with the donation request banner) So they do not need to consult with us on that. --Masem (t) 02:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
@Masem: agree, it is their servers, this is mostly just informational in case our editors are trying to figure out what is going on. Note, in this specific banner, at this time it is only enabled for enwiki (see settings) - though I expect it will be going to more projects in the future. — xaosflux Talk 02:53, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Note this is informative, especially in regards to discussions where we might put up additional site notices or main page content - since this CN is hidden from logged in editors (use the link above to see it) it can be easy for us to miss - so we should be sure to take it in to consideration before adding redundant messaging. — xaosflux Talk 03:40, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Really? This PR stunt is an embarassing piece of self-adulation. Please takt hat down. --Matthiasb (talk) 21:58, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@Matthiasb: I suppose you wanted to type "take that down", didn't you? --SI 14:37, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Controversies about WMF corona banner

What the WMF banner looks like

Facts collected and posted here by --SI 18:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

updated --SI 14:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

National Emergency Library

National Emergency Library. Internet Archive is making available 1.4 million modern books during the Coronovirus crisis, or end of June whichever is longer. The books are full-view no limits with unlimited checkout (but no d/l). Books can be searched like with Google Books on key words across the entire library. It works globally. -- GreenC 17:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

GreenC, FYI, I used this successfully recently to add several references. S Philbrick(Talk) 22:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Wonderful! I will let them know you said so. If you are interested, check out the New Yorker article about the NEL which is pretty good. -- GreenC 22:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Sphilbrick, Fantastic. I work with the Internet Archive-- please give us feedback on how we can make that easier and easier (I bet it is not easy now). Brewsterkahle (talk) 23:51, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Brewsterkahle, I dropped a note on your talk page. S Philbrick(Talk) 02:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Was coming to post this as just learned about this, and glad to see it was posted already. --Masem (t) 18:29, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I think this is an excellent resource that deserves to get wider publicity. I've posted about this to my local community organizations, and encourage others to do the same. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Minsk Metro

Navigation in Minsk Metro: Uručča, Barysaŭski trakt, Uschod, Maskoŭskaja, Park Čaliuskincaŭ, Akademija navuk, Plošča Jakuba Kolasa, Plošča Pieramohi, Kastryčnickaja, Plošča Lienina, Instytut kuĺtury, Hrušaŭka, Michalova, Piatroŭščyna, Malinaŭka

The template and articles about the Minsk metro use transliteration, which is not used anywhere else. Thus readers see false information, which does not coincide with reality. For whom is this done? How to use it?

English Wikipedia Reality
Uruchcha Uručča
Barysawski trakt Barysaŭski trakt
Uskhod Uschod
Maskowskaya Maskoŭskaja
Park Chalyuskintsaw Park Čaliuskincaŭ
Akademiya Navuk Akademija navuk
Ploshcha Yakuba Kolasa Plošča Jakuba Kolasa
Ploshcha Pyeramohi Plošča Pieramohi
Kastrychnitskaya Kastryčnickaja
Ploshcha Lyenina Plošča Lienina
Instytut Kultury Instytut kuĺtury
Hrushawka Hrušaŭka
Mikhalova Michalova
Pyatrowshchyna Piatroŭščyna
Malinawka Malinaŭka

--Чаховіч Уладзіслаў (talk) 11:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

According to WP:BELARUSIANNAMES the 1979 standard described at BGN/PCGN romanization of Belarusian is used on the English Wikipedia. If you think this should be changed to a more recent standard, or that an exception should be made for Minsk metro stations, then the best place to discuss would probably be Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Cyrillic). Phil Bridger (talk) 12:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
WP:TITLE:
  • Recognizability – The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.
  • Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such a title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English.
A tourist sees the name "Park Čaliuskincaŭ" in the subway, but will he look for "Park Chalyuskintsaw"? Not --Чаховіч Уладзіслаў (talk) 12:42, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not disagreeing with you, but just saying what current guidance is on the English Wikipedia. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:50, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
See also current move discussions at Talk:Uruchcha (Minsk Metro), Talk:Park Chalyuskintsaw (Minsk Metro), Talk:Barysaŭski trakt and possibly others. A centralized discussion might be a better idea. In fact, User:Phil Bridger (above) has proposed having a single discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Cyrillic)#Problem with transliteration of Belarusian geographical names. EdJohnston (talk) 19:43, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

All names should be moved according to Instruction on transliteration of Belarusian geographical names with letters of Latin script as it's the only system in use for now. System is in use [1], [2] on official level so all road signs and maps are made according to this instruction. --Red Winged Duck (talk) 15:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

We have an article at Instruction on transliteration of Belarusian geographical names with letters of Latin script but that is an instruction from the Belarusian government, not from Wikipedia. The closest thing we have to a Wikipedia convention is what is written at WP:Naming conventions (Cyrillic). Take a look at the section on Belarusian. It is common for languages to have more than one Latin script. For example see Romanization of Greek. EdJohnston (talk) 16:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Cyrillic) says "This proposal has become dormant through lack of discussion by the community", so it cannot be used as reference. If we look one level up at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) for Belarus it says: "Major cities (voblast capitals) are named according to the most common English usage. All other settlements are named according to national rules (exceptions may be discussed case by case)". And the only national system for now is Instruction on transliteration of Belarusian geographical names with letters of Latin script. I think new guidelines for Belarusian should be discussed and accepted. --Red Winged Duck (talk) 18:12, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes, and, as you have taken part in the discussion you must be aware, discussion of changes has been proposed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#I am fed up with edit-warring against consensus in Eastern European articles and should be taken forward by an interested party in the form of a neutrally-worded RFC. Not the pre-judging of the issue implied by "discussed and accepted". This particular thread should be closed as a particular case of the general issue that needs to be discussed. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
W already created RfC, so we can continue there. Ping, EdJohnston, Phil Bridger. --Red Winged Duck (talk) 19:52, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

User:HermioneJapardi

Hi! I've got some issues with a user called HermioneJapardi. She's been adding recently a lot of links in Chinese zodiac related articles about peoples and celebrities born under each zodiac sign. Some of those celebrities are mentioned in correct articles but there's also plenty of those that are not. Because of this I warned her not once but twice about her edits in those articles. She didn't listen and instead of doing something for it she removed my second warning from her talk page. What do you think we should do with this situation? Santtu37 (talk) 19:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Santtu37, those articles seem to contain a lot of unsourced WP:BLPs' names. As zodiac stuff is quasi-religious/superstition, that probably counts as "contentious matter" under the BLP policy. I suggest that you ask for help at WP:BLPN.
On a side note, I wonder whether a Wikidata query might not be a suitable replacement. An external link to "List of Wikipedia articles about people born in this year" sounds feasible. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:10, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
This behavior is inappropriate. The Chinese zodiac is also trivially derived from the year, meaning it is duplicate information. I would recommend reverting and warning the user. If, as you say, she's been warned, you need to go to WP:ANI for help. --Izno (talk) 18:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Harvard style

Hello, I suggest to add Harvard style to Special:CiteThisPage ([3]) Because it is a standard rule for citation and referencing. (Please ping me when you replied) Thanks! ⇒ AramTalk 15:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

THe page content is generated from MediaWiki:Citethispage-content. I think the right place to suggest additions is on the talk page. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

10 edit limit, April Fools' Day, does it exist?

Happy April Fools day. Recently I got this. That got me confused. The rules don't state anything about a 10 edit limit, so I found it to be strange. Yeah the reply was from an administrator, but I did not get a reply back, so. Where is this apparently 10 edit limit rule stated regarding April Fools' Day? {{SUBST:replyto|Can I Log In}}PLEASE copy and paste the code to reply(Talk) 02:02, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

TIL Natureium is an admin. SQLQuery me! 02:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
FWIW, if you're making more than 10 april fools jokes on-wiki, you're either a great stand-up comedian, or an asshole. At least, in my opinion. SQLQuery me! 03:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@Can I Log In: It likely falls under the rules for disruptive editing, rather than a hard edit count limit. RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Android (robot) needs maintenance templates

This is not something I can do

—§— T3g5JZ50GLq (talk) 04:49, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Wierdness in preview to Francis Willughby on main page

And elsewhere. The article states that Francis Willughby was "an English ornithologist and ichthyologist, and an early student of linguistics and games", but in the preview on the Main Page it says "a psychological condition" regarding the perception of body odor. Whaaat? Bug or maybe vandalism? Alricb (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

There was a series of vandalism on the page, and that Preview box is well known for its infamous ability to keep displaying cached vandalism longer than reasonable. There are various discussions about that if you search WP:VPT or phabricator. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Good Article Backlog Drive

Want to help improve content on Wikipedia? Consider joining the two month Good Article backlog drive. The link has lots more details and you can ask any questions on the talk page. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Article not indexed by Google

Hello! Can anyone help me figure out why this article is not indexed by Google during search? I believe this has been done on purpose because of the sentitivity of the article, but according to Wikipedia policies, no content should be censored. Thank you in advance.--▸ ‎épine talk 15:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I tried a Google search for ھاوڕەگەزخوازی from here in the UK and the very first result was the Sorani Wikipedia article that you mention. Maybe this depends on where you are searching from? Phil Bridger (talk) 16:08, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
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