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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed. To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

How to use this page

What not to propose for discussion here

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a "general" or "template" criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}. If it is a hardcoded instance or duplication of another template, tag it with {{Db-t3|~~~~~|name of other template}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.

Reasons to delete a template

  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:
  • For deletion: {{subst:tfd}}
  • For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: {{subst:tfd|type=sidebar}}
  • For deletion of an inline template: {{subst:tfd|type=inline}}
  • For deletion of a module: {{subst:tfd|type=module|page=name of module}} at the top of the module's /doc subpage.
  • For merging: {{subst:tfm|name of other template}}
  • For merging an inline template: {{subst:tfm|type=inline|name of other template}}
  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the Tfd notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the Tfd tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the Tfd notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code). Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the Tfd nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the Tfd, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wikipedia/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020_April_2#Template:template_name.css */

Protected pages: If you are incapable of tagging a page due to protection, please either leave a note on the page's talk page under a {{edit protected}} header, or leave a note at the Administrators' noticeboard, requesting tagging of the page.

II: List the template at Tfd. Follow this link to edit today's Tfd log.

Add this text at the top, just below the -->:

  • For deletion: {{subst:tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous Tfds, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous Tfd without brackets|result of previous Tfd}} directly after the Tfd2/Catfd2 template.

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code after the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for Tfd to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the Tfd tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that an template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets, such as "T3" for hardcoded instances.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfdnotice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is supported, helpful administrators and editors will log the result and ensure that the change is implemented to all affected pages.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the functions of notification automatically. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Current discussions

April 2

Template:Euskadi–Murias riders

Team is defunct, so the template is no longer required. See here. Craig(talk) 20:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:NRLGameHeader

No longer actively used. The standard for rugby articles is to use {{rugbybox}} or {{rugbybox collapsible}}. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:USCG decorations

Propose merging Template:USCG decorations with Template:US interservice decorations.
If template such as Template:Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom can do it, surely this scope can as well? Merged template: Template:Awards and decorations of the United States Armed Forces. PPEMES (talk) 17:06, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Let's instead consider splitting the UK template. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Maury family tree

How about deleting this template while relocating the contents to a plain article Maury family of Virginia, as main article of Category:Maury family of Virginia? PPEMES (talk) 18:53, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:20, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:German law section

Complex external links template, supporting twenty jurisdictions, but with only five transclusions in all. Documentation is in German. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:47, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Clist mergers

NAVBOX without a single link with only one link to a WP article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Not true. And it's important as a starting point for creating those case articles that are yet to be filled in. Wikidea 17:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I made a mistake it is one link but NAVBOX are for naviagation. They serve no purpose without links and the long held consensus (here[1], here[2], here[3], for just three examples around here is that Boxes that few links are deleted....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:32, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete. I'm not sure what the purpose of this navbox even is. It's old is unclear as it doesn't even link to a main article in the header that would describe what these items have in common. Without that it's completely useless for navigation, which means it shouldn't be a navigational box. oknazevad (talk) 12:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I see there are dozens of these.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 17:14, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Year in Wales by century catnav

Created by me in 2010. Now unused, since today I replaced all uses with {{Navseasoncats}}, in these edits[4]. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:27, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Warsaw

Redundant to the new Template:Warsaw. Kochas (talk) 01:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose as not all links are included into the new template, and if they ever e included it will be a pure mess. --Andrei (talk) 00:50, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Andrei, alright, so what do you say we separate the districts from the main template, in one consolidated two-level template, with just the districts (just like I did with Mayors)? — we really don't need so, so many of these, especially when most of them have hardly any articles existing. – Kochas (talk) 02:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
I would argue that having a Polish interwiki could help to locate missing articles, but that solution could work too. Something like Template:Districts and cadastral areas of Prague --Andrei (talk) 11:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Andrei, I've separated the districts. My initial proposal: Template:Districts of Warsaw. Also, please see my argument here. Consolidating these dozens of templates is really way more efficient, in terms of overall usefulness for users. – Kochas (talk) 16:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Mayors of Gdańsk

Propose merging Template:Mayors of Gdańsk, and Template:Heads of State of the Free City of Danzig with Template:Gdańsk.
On behalf of Kochas. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 04:36, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose. We have separate templates on mayors and cities themselves. No need to merge all together to one gargantuan template.--Darwinek (talk) 22:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Darwinek, alright, so how about we separate the Politics section away (with the "Related" links added), still consolidate the Polish, and German mayors in one template (with no dead links)? Since it's about the very same town (I did just that with Mayors of Warsaw). I've long noticed consolidation of templates improves UX (navigation), and performance of the articles (more internal links), hence users' education. [And about gargantuan: check out similar approach here ;-)] – Kochas (talk) 02:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Merging the Gdańsk and Danzig mayors into one template doesn't sound like a bad idea.--Darwinek (talk) 00:17, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Brandy Clark

The "songs written" section should not be included since Brandy Clark did not perform these songs. It would be like including all the songs that Kris Kristofferson wrote on his template, or including every film an actor has acted in on their template. Take that away and you only have three albums which fail WP:NENAN. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:22, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

  • @Koavf: Because those songs are primarily associated with the singer, not the songwriter. Also see below where other songwriters such as Diane Warren do not have navboxes for their writing credits. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 22:39, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
    TenPoundHammer, Note that there are now four album articles, the songs written, and the main article. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 15:49, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. It seems a little overkill to start creating navboxes for songwriters and then the possible bloat of navboxes to the articles with songs written by multiple people. I certainly don't see a need for templates for Diane Warren or Dr. Luke, who've written dozens of songs for other artists. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:36, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete when the majority of the info in the template is for stuff that isn't even her own recorded and released work, it seems largely unnecessary. CloversMallRat (talk) 04:02, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep in my opinion the list of notable songs written by a songwriter is certainly something that should be included in this infobox, much as buildings by an artchitect may be included although they were constructed by someone else. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:43, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 03:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
  • I wasn't explicit about a !vote before: keep. It now has four albums and the main article in addition to songs written. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 01:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:NFL predraft

Per discussion at WT:NFL, the template is just a collection of numbers that are not notable unless it's record-breaking, and even then that sort of info is better served through prose. WP:FANCRUFT. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

  • Delete The template provides no encyclopedic value and is often added lazily without any context or explanation whatsoever, just a random box with numbers. If a player has a notable performance it can written about about in the prose of the article itself. Additionally they sometimes throw off the formatting of the article. Best, GPL93 (talk) 01:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Do not delete. The numbers mean something to people who know what they are and why they are there. There is no benefit from eliminating them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.16.50.221 (talk) 05:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
    ... mean something to people who know what they are and why they are there.: WP:FANCRUFT to a tee.—Bagumba (talk) 14:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep - Properly supported by prose, this template is a good way of keeping the presentation of pre-draft measurables consistent in NFL articles. The fact that some people use it lazily is not a reason to get rid of it for others. Further, I believe I disagree with the consensus at WT:NFL that the numbers - while not inherently notable - should only be mentioned in record-breaking circumstances. – PeeJay 05:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete As a football fan, this is WP:FANCRUFT that does not merit this bulky table presentation.—Bagumba (talk) 14:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

April 1

Template:Cyber Girl Playmates

Playboy Cyber Club was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Playboy Cyber Club (2nd nomination) for being non-notable. It's playmates, which are a sub-topic, are non-notable as well. As a result this templates fails WP:NAVBOX#4. Gonnym (talk) 22:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Mad Love (JoJo album) tracks

Unused and unnecessary. Only two songs have articles, which link to and from one another from the infobox in each. Plus navigation is already provided by {{JoJo}}. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Eastern Hockey League seasons

Delete navbox template that does not link to anything for over six years; unlikely to ever be used (and if it was, it is likely to link to what would be stats only pages). Yosemiter (talk) 16:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

  • Delete, template unlikely to be used. Flibirigit (talk) 17:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom -- AquaDTRS (talk) 18:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep: I just created two seasons pages for the EHL, so the template is now being utilized. The league and its seasons are notable and received significant press coverage, so I see no reason to delete the template anymore. Does this change your decision, Flibirigit? --Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 19:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
  • No, I have not changed my mind. There is no evidence of "significant press coverage" at all. While the Eastern Hockey League itself is notable, its individual seasons are not. Statistics are not enough to pass WP:GNG and are simply WP:ROUTINE. I have spent significant time researching the league, and while there is enough information to write an article about Tommy Lockhart, there just is not enough to justify season articles that contravene WP:NOTSTATS. Flibirigit (talk) 20:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
This league was covered extensively in major newspapers around the country, including The Boston Globe, Philadelphia Daily News, The Charlotte Observer, The Tennesseean, and the Miami Herald, which wrote about the games, players, and such. I have a newspapers.com account, and found 1,979 hits from 1970 alone. The season articles pass WP:GNG easily. --Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 22:15, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Prove it. The coverage I found was routine reporting of scores and standings. These do not pass GNG. Flibirigit (talk) 22:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:F

Per the discussion on the talk page, there are concerns that a) this template is not used, b) this template's name is not indicative of its use, c) there is an actually-used template on Commons that is potentially giving confusion, and d) it has a "premium" name and at the very least should be renamed to something else. Primefac (talk) 14:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

  • Delete. No need for a template that is used to save people writing "WP". --Gonnym (talk) 17:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm not advocating for it, but if we are to use {{f}} for shortcut, here's my two cents. Original discussion hinted at using {{f}} for {{file link}}, as on Commons. But as far as I know, linking to files on enwiki is not a prevalent as on Commons. An idea: look at Category:Wikipedia template-protected templates, starting from F. Would we want to use {{F}} as a shortcut for any of those? Some of the most used templates already have pretty short names, like {{for}} and {{flag}}. I looked at: {{format link}} and {{further}}. It seems that {{format link}} is almost never used directly—mostly through other templates. Does {{further}} warrant a one letter shortcut? The letter F is not required to be in the beginning of the template's name. For example, we have {{xt}} which is "example text". A search for intitle:for, intitle:file, or another word in the middle of template's name could be done. —⁠andrybak (talk) 19:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Not relevant at all to the TfD. But to respond, oppose any usage. "F" is ambiguous and as such fails WP:TG. Gonnym (talk) 05:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Infobox tea

Propose merging Template:Infobox tea with Template:Infobox drink.
WP:INFOCOL. PPEMES (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Keep. Both templates seem appropriately scoped as designed, not seeing a strong rationale for merging. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge – My own rationale for merging the two is because tea is a type of drink. --Soumyabrata wash your hands to protect from coronavirus 09:06, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge. The tea infobox contains hardly any parameters not found in the drink infobox. Temperature is one, but it can be added because it's also relevant to other beverages. For example, coffee should be drunk hot, fruit juice at room temperature, and vodka ice cold. JIP | Talk 13:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom. Virtually all the parameters are duplicated, just with different names. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Tea is a drink, but not all drinks are tea.--Auric talk 20:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose.——联合果君 (talk) 07:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:31, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom. There's a significant overlap of the parameters used for both and it's easier to maintain the template if it were merged. 'Other names', 'origins' and 'description' are useful for other drinks. 'Temperature' and 'time' (I believe) refers to the brewing temperature and time which is also relevant for coffees and beers, so there really isn't anything specific in the tea template that requires it to be standalone. (If there was a parameter specific to tea, it could just exist as |tea_something= in the drink template.) -- AquaDTRS (talk) 17:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Infobox property development

Propose merging Template:Infobox property development with Template:Infobox building.
WP:INFOCOL. PPEMES (talk) 21:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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