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Iraqi offensive repelled

Iraq attacked Iran without any warning, but its offensive was repelled by the Iranian forces, this has to be in the outcome of the war as it's an important fact. I also added a source for it. Although Iranian forces were also repelled from Iraq in 1988, Iran's goal of war was not to invade Iraq.185.147.83.182 (talk) 04:23, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Both sides had a goal of invading each other's territories at one point or another. 1. Iraq did it intially, hoping Iran would fail to retake land, eventually being forced to enter negotiations, in which they would have to give in to Iraqi demands of full sovereignity over the Shatt Al Arab and giving back certain disputed territories along the shared border, (which had not been returned as per the Algiers Agreement of 1975). 2. Iran from 1982 and on, seeing the need to capture land to use at the eventual negotiations in exchange for Iraq accepting Iranian demands, for instance agreeing to stop any further aggression against Iran, as well as possibly other demands (mentioned in the beginning of the article). These were the minimalist approaches. Both had maximalist approaches as well (already stated in the result section). PersianFire (talk) 17:11, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

No, the main invader was Iraq, Iran wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, not invade Iraq in order to annex parts of its territory. The outcome of the war should include that Iraqi offensive was repelled, this is sourced content.185.147.83.168 (talk) 20:44, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
@General Ization: I provided a reliable source for the edit and there is a consensus about the Iraqi offensive having been repelled. What other consensus are you talking about ?185.147.83.168 (talk) 21:07, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
The "reliable source" you provided is a mirror of the Wikipedia article you are editing. See WP:CIRCULAR. I am talking about consensus for the addition of the content you are attempting to add. See WP:CONSENSUS and WP:BURDEN. General Ization Talk 21:10, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

It's not a mirror, it's a published paper. Also, to make it clear, did Iraq annex any Iranian territory during the war ? If no, this means that its offensive has been repelled, right ? How can you guys deny this ?185.147.83.168 (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Eg see Byzantine–Sasanian War of 602–628, the Persian invasion of the Byzantine Empire has been repelled and this is in the outcome, nothing else, i'm not trying to include false events, just a fact that is sourced.185.147.83.168 (talk) 21:17, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Please review the sources at the bottom of this page. Not every fact must be stated in an article, especially if its inclusion is controversial and/or disputed. The absence of this "fact" in the infobox does not lead to a different conclusion by the reader as a result of the contents of the body of the article. General Ization Talk 21:20, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@General Ization: Sorry, but the source you linked above is not the one i added in my last edit, it was this source that i added : https://resources.saylor.org/wwwresources/archived/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/HIST351-11.1.4-Iran-Iraq-War.pdf Also, how is "Iraqi offensive repelled" controversial ? Were they repelled yes or no ? Is this sourced yes or no ?185.147.83.168 (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

You're apparently not paying attention. Read what I said again: "especially if its inclusion is controversial and/or disputed". Even if the facts are not in dispute, the need to include this specific information in the infobox is. I suggest that you drop the stick and find something else constructive to do on Wikipedia. General Ization Talk 21:30, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@General Ization: I understand, but could you please explain me why is this content's inclusion controversial ?185.147.83.168 (talk) 21:32, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Read PersianFire's comments above. General Ization Talk 21:33, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
Also, https://resources.saylor.org/wwwresources/archived/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/HIST351-11.1.4-Iran-Iraq-War.pdf is a PDf of an earlier generation of this same article. Again, see WP:CIRCULAR. General Ization Talk 21:36, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

@General Ization: I saw Persian fire's comment, but what he said is only partially true. Iran never intended to annex Iraqi territory, but Iraq did. Thus, it's quite obvious that this should be included in the outcome of the war. Would it be ok if i find another source for it ?185.147.83.168 (talk) 21:41, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

"Stalemate" v. "Iranian military victory"

@Babak Mirsalehi: On 2020-02-28 User:Babak Mirsalehi changed "result" from "Stalemate" to "Iranian military victory" with companion changes in the Infobox. These seem to be major changes in a prominent summary and should not be made without a substantive discussion in this "Talk" page, describing how those changes more accurately reflect the content of the article than the previous text. Accordingly, I've reverted most of those changes. DavidMCEddy (talk) 13:35, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Babak Mirsalehi: User:83.53.19.120 just reinstated the edits you reverted without discussing them here. Per Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, I've reverted it again. If that reversion is again reverted, I will post a request for Wikipedia:Third opinion. DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:39, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Source for formal declaration of war?

I cannot find a decent source for the declaration of war. From the Iraqi invasion of Iran page, I can see the statement "On 17 September Iraqi President Saddam Hussein announced that Iraq abrogated the 1975 Algiers Agreement and intended to exercise full sovereignty over the disputed Shatt al-Arab river." However, I do not see a formal declaration of war. Can anyone help out here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johncdraper (talkcontribs) 12:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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